Suggestion Military flow arrows
Here in the UK, the military charts have large blue "flow arrows" to show commonly used routes into and out of the mountain training areas. It would be great to have them on EVFR to promote awareness amongst the GA community of where the military are likely to be. GA helicopters and military Hawks use the same bit of sky and there are very few "see and avoid" options
I really don't know what to do here.
On the first map around Keswick, there is no LARS and it is Class G below FL095. ow, is there a MIL LFA there? We certainly don't have those in our database. A well known example is the Mach Loop.
If I can get the defined areas I can add them for sure. If you can try and locate them I will also have a look.
Personally I would never fly in that terrain without talking to London/Scottish INFO. Having said that, I read so much about people who don't want to talk to Southend Radar, where I fly from. I have never understood that mentality.
On the second map, using the northerly arrow as an example, the airspace at that point is Class G, below Manchester TMA 1 which is Class A from 3500AMSL to FL195. However it is also covered by Warton LARS, so people should be talking to them or London INFO.
Are you a military pilot or do you just fly GA in those areas?
I appreciate your concerns in these areas and hopefully we can come up with a solution.
I will report back with anything I can find out my end.
What a mess! The MILAIP (last updated Jan 2019) states that the operational hours are:
HO PPR 0900-1745 Mon - Fri, or SS +30 mins, whichever is earlier.
The Civil AIP, ENR2.2 (page updated but not this data 5/11/20) states: Tue-Sun 0800-1800 (See note 1) (1 hr earlier in Summer)
Pooleys 2021 states: Sun-Thur 0900-1745 or SS+30, whichever is earlier
Now, which one applies to the office or the airfield operating hours and which one to the ATZ is anybody's guess!
I am going to try calling them tomorrow. I have a contact at Pooleys so will update them with whatever I find out. Watch this space!
For any data related queries/ errors or omissions they can be reported via: https://navfarm.pocketfms.com/2-ContactAirmarshal.asp. All UK reports will come to me.
Apologies, Pooleys plates are in the midst of being updated. I will make sure that Woodvale is available tomorrow morning, but the others will be a couple of days.
I spoke to Woodvale this morning. The chap was a little vague and didn't really seem to grasp the fact that there was so much conflicting information, but I understand that the MIL AIP is the correct information. I suggested that he looked to get the Civil AIP updated and I said I would contact Pooleys (which I will do).
So, I have updated the ATZ airspace to show active Mon-Fri and other days by NOTAM and put a remark against it: HRS:MON-FRI 0900-1745 (-1HR IN SUM). WARTON RDR 129.530 TO CHECK STATUS OF A/D
If you find out anything different then please let me know.